Propuneri pentru Mersul Trenurilor 2016-2017

My train was cancelled last time I've been to Amsterdam. No repay, nothing... and, anyway, I had no proof of a ticket for that speciffic train (I was using a pass). And I think 90% of passengers are using either various types of passes, either tickets without reservation, valid for a certain amount of time. If your ticket is valid for - let's say - Amsterdam-Rotterdam on 6th of December 2016 and they cancel the trains from 9, 10 and 11 hour, you still can't prove you needed those specific trains for your journey and not the one at 12 or 13.

Firtst of all, i´m sorry to hear that, but i´m not NS

Was it an international ticket to/from Belgium? And where did you try to claim? And what was your pass?

For internal routes, 97% of train passengers uses chipcards, so it's easy to see how late somebody travels.
When travelling on a chipcard, you can fill in a form online for refund. Or you can fill in a paper form avaliable at the trainstations, and send it per post to NS. The other 3% of passengers uses e-tickets, NS coupons from supermarket-deals, interrail, Fip etc. In cases of e-tickets or other tickets without a chip, you can still fill in the paper form and send per post. The system is an computer which only looks at the departure time (which you filled in) and the station of arrival. That system generates the most efficient route, and sees if there were delays on the day/track/route of your form. There is no human person to check if your details are correct, it's based on trust. In other words, when using an e-ticket Amsterdam- Rotterdam for today, you can also fill in another train than used (nobody can check), but thats fraude. I think nobody does this, because you have to check all other trains that day if to see if there were some delays, you must be a freak  

A train don't have be as late as 30 minutes for a refund, but it is based on the whole yourney from A to B. When you have 10 minutes delay in train A and for that you missed your connecting train along the route and you are at your destination with more than 30 minutes delay you get refund. But when your train has 30 minutes delay and there is another option (other train or other route) which reduces your delay within 30 minutes, you wont get refund. Example; between Amsterdam and Rotterdam there are 3 different routes to travel. When there are problems on 1, you are supposed to use route 2 or 3 if thats possible.

International tickets refund is not the way I discribed here.

Caspar a scris:

Was it an international ticket to/from Belgium? And where did you try to claim? And what was your pass?

NS Card + Libre parcours SNCB... so no ticket, no paid money, but still.... my train was cancelled, if my meeting would have been that day, not the next one, I would have missed it.

That's one of the situations that are frustrating. The same is with NS/Prorail staff, we also have ''free travel'' and no money back in any situation.

And to this topic; I was in Brasov in 2015, and after check out in my hotel I wanted to go to Bucharest in de morning, but there were no trains in the schedule for 4 hours or something. Maybe an extra IR Brasov- Bucharest at 11.00h can fill the gap. Further I think a relation with every hour (on the same time) 1 IR between Bucharest en Ploiesti can attract new trainpassengers, because a regular schedule is far more attractive as one with strange gaps and departure times which are different every hour.

There is a gap between 9:32 and 13:05. That's a time interval with less passengers (it's the same situation as it is in local transport, where from 8:30 to 14 vehicles are almost at week-end timetable) and with scheduled maintenance works, because, apparently, CFR S.A. do not want to pay extra-money to its employees to work at night.


From Ploieşti to Bucureşti are plenty of trains... the problem is they are not at a fixed interval and you also have to look for 3 different start/endpoint variants:
- Ploieşti Sud - Bucureşti Nord (Bucureşti Nord Gr. A)


- Ploieşti Sud - Bucureşti Basarab (Bucureşti Nord Gr. B)


- Ploieşti Vest - Bucureşti Nord (Bucureşti Nord Gr. A)


(some years ago there were also trains from Ploieşti Vest going to Bucureşti Basarab)

Ce gioarsă de tren , acest IR 1572 /1577, Galați - Dedulești - Brazi - București.
Ar merita tarifat ca de Blac Fraidai, 30 la sută din prețul întreg al unui IR, măcar pe distanța GL Barboși BR - B.

O analiza scurta a tot ce s-a discutat aici ca propuneri si nu s-a realizat.
900. IR.72/73 circula in continuare ca un IR.obisnuit cu multe opriri pana in Timisoara, fara grupa de Timisoara si fara o oferta speciala GDN - Timisoara-GDN. gen Banat special.
IR.360/361 - inca se lasa asteptat.
IR.1521/1522 oferta regio
200.IR.74/75 de la Bucuresti + grupa de Munchen
IR.1625/1626 Bucuresti - Arad -Bucuresti.sezonier IR.1925/1926 pana la Mnagalia
IR.472/473 cu grupa vag.Belgrad-Bar ca sezonier.
300.IR de zi Bucuresti - Oradea - Bucuresti( fostul accelerat 315/316)
IR.446/447 DACIA grupa de Cluj
400. regio dimineata spre Miercurea Ciuc.
800.sezoniere care sa nu moara pe drum de la Constanta - la Mangalia 2 ore? exagerat.Pacat de iuteala pana la Constanta.
75% din trenuri sunt OK.Nu pot cere sa fie mai multe, atata timp cat nu se pot scurta timpi de mers.Pana la urma doar daca maresti viteza, maresti si numarul de pasageri.

ciprian71 a scris:

O analiza scurta a tot ce s-a discutat aici ca propuneri si nu s-a realizat.
900. IR.72/73 circula in continuare ca un IR.obisnuit cu multe opriri pana in Timisoara, fara grupa de Timisoara si fara o oferta speciala GDN - Timisoara-GDN. gen Banat special.
IR.360/361 - inca se lasa asteptat.
IR.1521/1522 oferta regio
200.IR.74/75 de la Bucuresti + grupa de Munchen
IR.1625/1626 Bucuresti - Arad -Bucuresti.sezonier IR.1925/1926 pana la Mnagalia
IR.472/473 cu grupa vag.Belgrad-Bar ca sezonier.
300.IR de zi Bucuresti - Oradea - Bucuresti( fostul accelerat 315/316)
IR.446/447 DACIA grupa de Cluj
400. regio dimineata spre Miercurea Ciuc.
800.sezoniere care sa nu moara pe drum de la Constanta - la Mangalia 2 ore? exagerat.Pacat de iuteala pana la Constanta.
75% din trenuri sunt OK.Nu pot cere sa fie mai multe, atata timp cat nu se pot scurta timpi de mers.Pana la urma doar daca maresti viteza, maresti si numarul de pasageri.

noi parca suntem legati la ochi nu vedem ca peste tot dar ma restrang doar la Ceh cu RailJet si Polonia cu Pendolino au crescut numarul de calatori cu 40%

In ultima perioada cu cine am stat de vorba si discutam ce vor face de sarbatori, fiecare zicea pe unde pleaca, printre care un tip care are un serviciu aici in Bucuresti dar parintii de prin Targoviste a zis ca merge la parinti de Craciun si cand il intreb cu ce merge a zis clar bus. Pai zic de ce nu mergi cu trenul? Ca nu vreau sa stau in tren atata timp cad bus-ul ma duce rapid.

O alta tipa zicea ca pleaca la Craiova, pentru Bucuresti-Craiova nici nu ma gandeam ca nu merge cu trenul si zic cu care tren mergi? La care tipa foarte speriata si mirata, eu NU calc in tren, eu merg cu autocar, e mai rapid. Zic nu cred ca e mai rapid la care ea zice ca ba da si orice ar fi nu calca in tren.

Deci cam asa e vazut transportul feroviar in Romania.

Merg saptamana trecuta cu 4110 Cluj-Sighet si pe 401 intre Apahida si Gherla soseaua se mai apropie de calea ferata, trece un autocar si unii de prin spate ne arata un deget. Vine alt autocar, la fel se tavaleau aia pe jos la ce incet merge trenul si ei zburda, normal ca lumea vrea rapiditate la pret bun nu sa imbatraneasca in tren.

Bucureşti - Craiova cu autocarul se face în vreo 5 ore. Cu trenul şi dacă opreşti în toate haltele ajungi mai repede )
La Târgovişte dacă pleci după-amiază durează minim 40 de minute să ajungi la Chitila, am o colegă care face naveta zilnic Bucureşti - Răcari (cu duba/autobuzul că nu e haltă acolo). Iar ca să fie sigură că ajunge la 8 la muncă, e în staţie la 5:45 şi tot mai întârzie uneori că nu o ia nicio dubă (vin pline de la Târgovişte). Deh, cei din Târgovişte sunt mai masochişti, nu vor cu trenul. Treaba lor, dacă îi dau banii afară din casă şi au timp de pierdut în trafic.

Cel mai rapid este cu trenul 3h.Iar cu microbuzul doar CDI in 4h.30min.

PE Bucuresti Craiova nu se merita sa mergi cu BUS. Cel putin pana acum , cand erau mai multe IR cu oferta R , dar si Softrans. Acum se pare ca nu vor mai fi IR cu tarif R , dar observ ca sunt mai mult trenuri R pe aceasta ruta. Tin minte , in urma cu foarte multi ani , nu prea aveam ocazia sa ajung in Bucuresti Nord , ci doar in Basarab, pt ca mergeam doar cu Personalul. Acum se pare ca se reia strategia: trenuri cu pret mic sunt doar R si merg pana in Basarab( cu unele exceptii)

Dr2005 a scris:

There is a gap between 9:32 and 13:05. That's a time interval with less passengers (it's the same situation as it is in local transport, where from 8:30 to 14 vehicles are almost at week-end timetable) and with scheduled maintenance works, because, apparently, CFR S.A. do not want to pay extra-money to its employees to work at night.


From Ploieşti to Bucureşti are plenty of trains... the problem is they are not at a fixed interval and you also have to look for 3 different start/endpoint variants:
- Ploieşti Sud - Bucureşti Nord (Bucureşti Nord Gr. A)


- Ploieşti Sud - Bucureşti Basarab (Bucureşti Nord Gr. B)


- Ploieşti Vest - Bucureşti Nord (Bucureşti Nord Gr. A)

Îmi cer scuze că sunt offtopic, dar ce site este cel de pe care ai făcut screenshot-urile? Mulțumesc ^_^

http://www.infofer.ro/index.php/trenuri-directe

Cel mai bine ar fi sa se reinfinteze vechile trenuri rapid/expres , care sa lege capitala de principalele orase ale tarii , dupa cum urmeaza:
-expres Traian/Banat-Bucuresti-Craiova-Severin-Herculane Bai-Caransebes( grupa Resita)-Timisoara Nord
-expres Decebal-Bucuresti-Ploiesti Vest-Sinaia-Busteni-Predeal-Brasov-Sibiu-Deva-Arad
-expres Transilvania-Bucuresti-Ploiesti Vest-Sinaia-Busteni-Predeal-Brasov-Sighisoara-Teius (legatura pt Alba Iulia)-Cluj -Oradea
-expres Maramures-Bucuresti-Ploiesti Vest-Sinaia-Busteni-Predeal-Brasov-Sf Gheorghe-M Ciuc-Izvorul Muresului-Deda( grupa Tg Mures)-Dej-Baia Mare-Satu Mare
-Expres Moldova-Bucuresti-Ploiesti Sud-Buzau-(grupa Braila-Galati)-Focsani-Bacau(grupa Piatra Neamt)-Iasi
-expres Ovidiu/Marea Neagra-Bucuresti-Constanta-Eforie Nsi S-Costinesti tabara-Mangalia

De asemenea , ar trebui reinfintat si expresul Unirea Iasi-Suceava-Humor-Cpulung Mold-Mestecanis-Dorna Bai-Dej-Cluj-Teius( ataseaza/detaseaza grupa Galati-Braila-Buzau-Ploiesti vest-Sinaia-Busteni-Predeal-Brasov-Sighisoara-Teius)-Deva-Arad-Timisoara Nord .