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În instrucţie scrie că se permite locomotivă intercalată la trenurile care se fracţionează în parcurs, dar nu scrie câte osii să aibă.

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În instrucţie scrie că se permite locomotivă intercalată la trenurile care se fracţionează în parcurs, dar nu scrie câte osii să aibă.

Doar la trenurile de marfa cred..
Mai era un tren personal in mersul din 2010 care circula Arad-Oradea si circula cu ceva tren Arad-Brad sau Arad-Gurahont cu locomotiva intercalata posibil sa fi fost LDE2100

În instrucţie scrie aşa:

R006 Art.6 (2) La trenurile de călători care se fracţionează într-o staţie din parcurs se admite şi una locomotivă intercalată; aceste trenuri se prevăd în livretele de mers.

Da, de la Arad circula cu LDE si WIT intercalate pina la Sintana.
in Deva am vazut cu EC la urma.

La noi se incapatineaza sa piarda timpul ducind trenurile cuplate dar cu dubla tractiune.

Pana in 2008 3113 a circulat cuplat cu Arad-Brad pe distanta Arad-Sanatana cu LDH in cap si DA intercalat.

Hey there. There are few days until the new trains timetable and still no information about Bulgaria Express Sofia Moscow :roll: According to European railway server of DB and OEBB it will run between Sofia and Giurgiu. I think it would be a nonsense. :shock: In my opinion the pair 382/383 is the far more crowded in International terms of service than 460/461. 461 has relatively many passangers /for the route Bucuresti Ruse/ but having only one coach in 383 on route Bucuresti Sofia and adding the passangers in the current timetable to Videle was making the coach very well packed. I've travelled now around 10 times Bucuresti Ruse with 383 and I would say that EVERY time /in every season/ there were around 20 or more Scandinavians, Western Europeans and Asians travelling between Bucuresti and Sofia and MOST of them were always asking about a sleeping berth / once I made a joke with Swedish couple that they could give vodka to the ''provodnik which sleeping coach conductor in Russian and they would be able to travel in the Russian coach to Sofia. There are rumors here that Russia and Moldova have planned the train to travel on a secondary route Moscow Harkov Chisinau Iasi Bucuresti with coaches from Kiev being attached at Pascani but those are just rumors and there is still nothing official. I really hope CFR and BDZ will keep the train running AT LEAST between Bucuresti and Sofia and its necessary that there is a sleeping coach /unfortunately the situation in BDZ is complicated with the sleeping coaches. We do have 30 new ones from Turkey but they are not allowed to leave the country since they were subsidised with state expense. There are some 12 coaches former DB but they were said to be too old and dangerous and were stopped from running for now waiting some refurbishment and better days. While with the couchette cars we only have enough to provide on route Sofia Vidin Budapest for the new train. Im sorry for a bit of long post but Im really emotional about train 382/383. Hope you have some information. Sorry for the long post once again

All the best,
Ivan from Ruse :AA10:

If I understand correct, there are no longer pessenger trains between Ukraine and Romania in the new timetable?
When I travelled to Ungheni in Moldova in 2013, there were some pessengers from Ukraine to Chișinău who used this train, via Suceava and Iași.

@vanchorusebulgaria, I've used train 460 one time in 2012, and I can underscribe your opinion. In the train were not many pessengers, I think 20 or something. And some pessengers in the Turkisch coach which was also attached on the train then. After Videle the train was more or less 50% full. Why are there so little pessengers on this route?

In domestic traffic, all trains between Buchares and Giurgiu runs with very few passengers... due to the detour through Videle. This means 115 km, while the road is only 60 km. And the price is higher than the bus price.

Yes it is true.. The train to Ukraine and Russia got cancelled.
The only way to go by train now is to change in Chișinău.. But I would not recommend it.. It takes a life time to do the journey..
@ Caspar. The original and shortest  route to Giurgiu is through Grădiștea.. There is a collapsed bridge there... For many years now..

Well it could be cancelled by Ukrainian and Russian side but would CFR and BDZ keep the part between Sofia and Bucuresti :roll: From my observation I would say that especially 383 is the most packed in international terms of use and its more packed than 460/461. There are various reasons that there are few passangers on route Sofia Bucuresti. First of all its the time travel which takes almost twice as much as the bus travel on route Sofia Bucuresti and even three times more on route Ruse Bucuresti. IR 461 on the other side has an advantage that there are NO buses in the period 10:30 to 16:00 between Bucuresti and Ruse and its the most packed on this route. But for Sofia due to the late time of arrival there are few or nobody in most cases. I still cant get the Ruse Bucuresti Ruse timetable. There is only one legal bus and its at 16:00 from Bucharest and 00:00 from Sofia /05:45 from Ruse/. There is two times a day a semi legal minivan which departs at 06:30 and 13:30 from Ruse and at 10:30 and 16:30 from Bucharest. As you can see the minivan and the bus are close to each other in the time period of the day. Which makes no sense since most of the day there is nothing to travel between Ruse and Bucuresti My suggestion is that 382 should be moved at around 23:00 from Sofia and to arrive somewhere at 08:00 in Bucuresti. In my opinion there would be more passangers in this case. There is no night train between Sofia and Ruse /382 doesn't count it arrives at 00:45 and its not a normal option/. While 383 is more than ok especially at summer there are big groups of Western Europeans, Asians and even South Americans travelling with it. Unfortunately Romanians and Bulgarians are the least popular group of travellers on the route. But its normal having such high ticket prices, almost zero comfort and such a long time travel.

The russians canceled it.The train 383, is canceled on all the route. I don't think that CFR is going to do anything about it.
If you have any news from BDZ..

It will be running in Bulgaria on route Ruse Sofia Ruse. But there is no information if it will continue on Romanian territory. OEBB and DB servers say it will run to Giurgiu which is a nonsense. Nobody will travel Giurgiu Sofia or Sofia Giurgiu. :roll: This is why I thought you got more information about it. I still hope that CFR and BDZ won't do a stupidity by cancelling it. If they cancel this more crowded and important train on route they should cancel the anyways empty 460/461 as well.

Arriving at 02.30h in the night in Giurgiu Nord without a connection train is indeed a bit strange.

Train 383 starts at 03.00h in the night in Giurgiu nord so it's possible that it's the same train, which will return after waiting half an hour in Giurgiu?

But the first train to depart to Bucurersti Nord is R9340 at 04.06h in Giurgiu nord. So nobody will wait one and half hour in the middle of the night, and nobody will use this option I guess.

Besides, the first train to go from Giurgiu to Bucharest at 04.06 AM is probably a small Blue Arrow (Desiro-Siemens) - even if somebody will actually try this Sofia-Giurgiu-Bucharest option for once, they won't try it the second time...travelling between capitals with a Regio train (usually designed for people going to work) doesn't actually compute...no sleepers, no nothing...

I'm wondering if the Bulgarian 382/383 will be made also by a similar trainset...lots of stops in several cities, does not look really like an international train schedule to me...

Train 481 (Budapest - Craiova - Sofia) does also stop 22 times in Bulgaria :roll:
Thats every 10 kilometers one stop.