406 : Bistrita Bargaului hcv. - Bistrita Nord - Saratel - Ludus

...deci, practic, nu se putea merge cu un tren normal, inteleg...asta ar explica de ce linia asta nu mai exista in prezent.l

ATM a scris:

Din cate incerca sa imi explice un coleg bistritean, linia 406 se continua inaintea primului razboi mondial, ajungand sa se uneasca cu un segment al liniei 502 (nu am inteles daca Floreni-Dornisoara sau Vama-Moldovita) fiind , inteleg eu, prima varianta de trecere a Carpatilor Occidentali, inainte de construirea rutei prin Ilva Mica.Poate confirma cineva?

Carpatii Orientali

jionutz a scris:

linie ingusta forestiera Bistrita Bargaului - Colibita
este pomenita intrun ghid de cabane in anul 1965

Nu are nicio legatura. Linia despre care se vorbeste pleca de la Prundu Bargaului si mergea paralel cu DN 17 si ajungea la Dornisoara.
Pentru mai multe detalii vizitati topicul "Linii desfiintate"

ATM a scris:

...deci, practic, nu se putea merge cu un tren normal, inteleg...asta ar explica de ce linia asta nu mai exista in prezent.l

Tocmai ca era linie cu ecartament normal si a fost intens circulata. Desfiintarea ei s-a datorat construirii liniei Ilva Mica - Vatra Dornei

karpaty a scris:

A existat o linie ingusta intre Bistrita Bargaului si Poiana Stampei sau Dornisoara nu stiu sigur care din cele 2 . Vama-Moldovita nu are treaba aici , ea merge catre Nord si e foarte departe de 406 .

Linia era cu ecartament normal intre Prundu Bargaului (nu Bistrita Bargaului) si Dornisoara
iata cateva detalii: http://www.forumtrenuri.com/t440-linii-desfiintate

14513 pe 406 in zona Budesti Cluj

Tagu si trenul 14513





Tagu Sat





Tagsor

Hello :-)

My Romanian is extremely basic, so I will use English. I have some questions concerning line between Sighetu Mamartiei and Valea Viseului. Couldn;t find the answers on my own...

Does anyone know when did line Saratel-Bistritza-Vatra Dornei ceased to be the "main" line, in favour of Saratel-Beclean-Salva-Vatra Dornei?

What was the cause of this?

Also, when/why was the line destroyed or dismantled?

The oldest map that I know of, that shows this line intact is Soviet Strategic map 1 : 2 500 000 dated 1944. I don't know if the map was accurate and up to date.

Also, is there anywhere on the web a database of Romanian railways (dates of construction or modernization, like it was made for Polish railways:
stand alone program: http://www.kolej.one.pl/index.php?dzial=mapa
online (not as much fun) http://mapa.kolej.one.pl/

Thanks a lot
Szymek
https://picasaweb.google.com/szymekkozlowski

Hello, I will try to answer your questions.
During the first world war the Austrian troops have built a 1435mm gauge railway between Tiha Birgaului and Dornisoara (34km, between December 1914 and August 1915). I'm not sure if this stretch of line was connected directly to the previously built ones. It had very sharp turns (some only 20m radius) and steep gradients (max 87mm/m); for the first 26,8 km it doubled the existing road between Bistrita and Vatra Dornei.
The vehicles traveling this railroad were special, having petrol-electric traction. At the front there was a "locomotive" - a generator car running on petrol followed by the carriages that had electric traction motors on their axels. That is why they called this line "Benzinelektrobahn" or "Kraftwagenbahn".
After the first world war the line was taken over by CFR and used until 23 June 1939. It was not suited to "regular" transport, had little traffic and was prone to accidents. Moreover, by the 18th of December 1938 CFR had already completed the last strech of the Saratel-Beclean-Salva-Vatra Dornei line so the Benzinelektrobahn was closed. Here you can find more information:

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calea_ferat%C4%83_Prundu_B%C3%A2rg%C4%83ului%E2%80%93Vatra_Dornei

As far as I know there is no database like you are interested in, but I'm working right now on a similar project and I hope you will like the results

Great, thant's exactly the piece of info I was looking for.
Thanks a lot


Now, I know I might be going too far, but if only you knew anything regarding the question I posted at the "423" line thread...



thanks once more :-)
Szymek
https://picasaweb.google.com/szymekkozlowski

Repere kilometrice ale liniei Ludus - Magherus Sieu:

0+000 Gara Ludus
1+730 Pod peste Mures
2+387 Halta Ludus Sat
2+554 Trecere la nivel cu DN 15
10+620 Halta Sanger Taureni (posibil fosta gara)
16+078 Halta Taureni
20+627 Gara Zau de Campie (desfiintata)
23+454 Halta Bota Sat
27+944 Gara Mihesu de Campie (desfiintata)
32+331 Halta Mihesu de Campie Sat
36+422 Gara Balda (desfiintata)
39+286 Halta Sarmasu
42+230 Halta Sarmasel Gaz Metan
44+227 Gara Sarmasel
44+623 Trecere la nivel cu DN 16
46+000 Granita dintre judetele Mures si Bistrita Nasaud
46+200 Halta Tagsor
49+060 Hatla Tagu Sat
51+729 Gara Tagu (desfiintata)
55+276 Halta Budesti Cluj
58+497 Halta Mirecestii de Campie
63+767 Gara Sanmihaiu de Campie (desfiintata)
68+489 Halta Brateni
72+519 Halta Sangiorgiu Nou
78+437 Halta Vermes
80+710 Gara Lechinta
85+677 Halta Tigau
88+924 Halta Chirales
90+050 Pod peste raul Sieu
93+435 Gara Magherus Sieu

Ludus , trenul 14504 spre Bistrita



Intre Ludus si Ludus Sat



Spre Sanger





Sanger



Taureni





Spre Zau de Campie



Zau de Campie



Bota Sat



Mihesu de Campie





Balda



Sarmasu



Sarmasel





Spre Ludus







Tagsor



Tagu Sat



Tagu







Budesti Cluj





Spre Ludus



Micestii de Campie



Sanmihaiu de Campie



Brateni



Spre Lechinta



Sangiorgiu Nou





Lechinta

Bistrita Bargaului





Capatul liniei





Bistrita Bargaului Halta



Bistrita Bargaului Sat



P.O. la Biserica



Prundul Bargaului



Spre Bistrita Bargaului





Susenii Bargaului



Un motor de rezerva dar al Regiotrans



Mijlocenii Bargaului



Josenii Bargaului



Rusu Bargaului



Livezile Bargaului



Bistrita Halta



Bistrita Nord

Foarte frumos, multumim! Cladirile garilor vad ca sint in stare relativ buna, uzate numai de trecerea timpului. Nu se vede urma niciunei actiuni rauvoitoare, ceea ce ma face sa apreciez calitatea oamenilor din zona si sa presupun ca lipsesc anumite natiuni conlocuitoare discriminate.

Cam lipsesc porumbeii de Copsa Mica. Cand am fost ultima oara de la Ludus la Bistrita, n-am vazut un tigan in tren...

Karpaty, cum se mai circula pe linie, aproximativ cu cat? Lume era prin tren?

Sectia Ludus-Bistrita se circula binisor cam 50-60 , calatori au fost multi , toate locurile ocupate si 2-3 in picioare unde am fost intr-o zi de Duminica deci fara elevi si oameni sa mearga la munca , acum 2 ani am fost in cursul saptamanii si trenul a fost plin plin , deci nu te puteai misca .

Sectia Bistrita-Bistrita Bargaului se merge cu 40-50 , calatori la dus au fost cam 15 iar la intors sa zic undeva pe la 30-40 .